Pastor Snyder interview

McCoy: you're listening to the news that matters. Podcast. I'm your host, Jeff McCoy News that matters Podcast has brought to you, in part, by the African Freedom Network and the mission's Tribune newspaper. Pastors. Tom Snyder returns our show today. He is the pastor at Back Creek Valley Full Gospel Church in Shanghai, back in the Valley, surrounded by multi generation farmers, great people that have served our country, church and community very well. And today, Pastor Snyder is gonna talk to us about the end times. And if Kobe, 19 has anything to do with that, and we'll be right back with him after this brief message, then

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McCoy: And we're back. Welcome to the show, Pastor Snyder.

 

Pastor Snyder: Glad to be back with you, Jeff. I enjoy this.

 

McCoy: Yeah. I really appreciate the time that you put in here. Today we've got a lot of questions of about the end times because a lot of people have been asking us about, you know, COVID-19. Is it going to bring in the mark of the beast? Is it for real? You know, we have so many different camps about this. It is very really going to kill a lot of people? doesn't exist at all, or it's somewhere in between. And then the end times - the world has a different view of the end times than the Christians. And then when you go to the Christian camp, the nominations have different views of the end times. And then when you go down into the denominations, you find that even some of the people in the same denomination have different views. Can you help us at all on this? What is going on?

Pastor Snyder: When you talk about the end times you realize that from the very beginning, after Jesus left the earth, his own disciples and the Apostle Paul started looking for his return immediately. I mean, they really fought in their lifetime. If you look at their writings that they would see him... The last disciple to leave the earth was John the Revelator. And of course he didn't die the way the rest of them did. He was exiled, and the Lord gave him the Book of Revelation. Ah, which is completely about end time events. And then he left. And from that moment till now, uh, every generations have people that work. We are to be looking for our Lord's return because, ah kind of put it this way. His first appearing and all that he did you know his miracles and then his passion and his resurrection. Then it's ascension we can to put the the life of Jesus. The first act, the book revelation says in the first part revelation. The revelation of Jesus, which means the revealing of Jesus Christ. And everybody thinks it's all prophecy. But it's a whole lot more than that. The rest of this story and for us 2000 plus years seems like an awful long time. But to God, it's just a wink and, you know, and to Jesus. And so his second act is getting ready to happen very soon. And ah, like I said, the ironic thing is, is that people from the very beginning the last 2000 years have been looking for this

McCoy: right. And you know, there's so many questions about it, like the anti Christ, the False Prophet and the mark of the beast.

Pastor Snyder: Well, here again, we're not to be looking for the anti Christ or the false prophet or the mark of the beast we’re to be looking for Jesus. Okay, what? They'll be looking for Jesus Christ. But they all play a part in his return. Ah, and and then there is something that we get a little confused up until the last 100 years. Um, what we call the rapture of the church and the second coming. Like I said, all of the disciples and everybody. For the 1st 1900 years they saw Matthew, 24 when Jesus was describing what would happen and all those all those woes and those things that paralleled revelation they all solve. That is the second coming. And they didn't…. Esp Chapter four, where it talks about in the didn't Christ. shall rise first in me, which are alive and remain they didn't put them is to separate groups. They put them, put them in a safe 11 thing that they didn't even they didn't connect the dots. And so, for a person, that is what we call pre rapture person that believes in the pre pre

 

McCoy: tribulation

 

Pastor Snyder: tribulation. Yeah, I'm sorry. Pre tribulation to that person. They believe that the rapture of the church is going to take place right before the tribulation. And then there's a person's that believe in the Mid Trib. That's 3.5 years in because it's tribulation. Seven years, and that is gonna take place in in the middle of this. And then the final is right at the tail end of the seven years or post tribulation and all those people have a a good argument, you know? Ah, a really good argument. If you ask me personally what I personally believe, I'm what you call pre tribulation, but for years, because see, my grandfather and a lot of the older ones that I knew that I grew up with they were mid Trib or post tribs. A lot of the older church, even your denominations. This is the pre Trib is a pretty new thing. Um, and I kinda lean that away all the way eating through my Bible college, which made me pretty unpopular. I kind of like, you know, told everybody I don't know about pre trib, and I was in my home as pastor in one of my first churches, and I got to doing a study on it, and that verse that stuck out to me – we’re not appointed unto wath but to obtain salvation. And it just clicked.

McCoy: Well, what type of wrath? I mean the

Pastor Snyder: wrath of God,

McCoy: right? But how bad can it wrath be here on Earth?

Pastor Snyder: Judging by what we read in the Book of Revelation, I sure hope for pre trip because I don't want to be around for The wrath of God. There's been a few times in the in the good book that we've seen the wrath of God. Some of the famous ones are them in the more Ah, no, no….. And you, you don't want to be on the tail end of that wrath.

McCoy: Well, now, from way that I understand it is that you know there will be the mark of the beast. You'll have to have the mark in order to buy or sell, which means your food, right or anything else. And now there's a lot of places that have already introduced how this can work. They've got different chips. The take scan. The police department would only get your criminal record. The bank will only get your financial record, and the doctor will only get your medical record. But it's all still there in the same chip.

Pastor Snyder: You know, I do some reading. I got some books on my shelf. Ah, in Ah, 1915 When the first global world war came on, Um, there was writings about the anti Christ course that's been over 100 years ago. And then in the 1938- 39 Hitler, 40 Hitler looks like he's right out of the Book of Revelation. Ah. Then we come up through the times of, ah, Libya, and just recently, our lifetime Saddam Hussein and those have all been markers of what could be. And let me let me throw this in. We're talking about the anti Christ. Now we're saying, weighing into it there is the anti Christ, the son of perdition that's going to physically be on this Earth, doing the things in revelation. And then there's a spirit of Anti Christ talked about in first John. That thing's been around since the beginning. Nero. Ah, Caligula, uh, you know, different ones, world leaders. That may be this spirit of the anti-christ basically spirit of anti christ, anything that is against Jesus Christ. You know that fights and denies his resurrection, the power.

McCoy: But we're seeing a lot of that right now in the United States alone, there's such an anti Christian view, you know, in the schools you can't get into the hospitals right now on to minister to people. When you're in church, you know, it's very biased in so many places. Is that what we're looking at?

Pastor Snyder: This is the anti-christ Spirit has been strong in this nation. Um, there is the anti Christ spirit. And then what I call the Jezebel spirit uh, the Jezebel Spirit. That's also in the Book of Revelation. There was a literally lady named Jezebel that's in the Bible. And then in revelation, he talks about Jezebel rising up, And, uh, we're all talking about the anti christ here. But this Jezebel spirit has been around in our country for quite some time and a lot of Americans and I don't get too political. I just want to look at the facts. Um, before the last election, that Jezebel spirit was strong has ever been. And then this election came and we got a conservative on. No matter how you feel about that, a lot of things changed. Yeah, I really really changed in the 1st 3 years. People are shouting on, conservatives are shouting on the rooftop. Supreme Court judges, laws are being overturned, prayers going back in schools. And, you know, the abortion clinics are being shut down and the Jezebel spirit. But I would I would submit to you, um, that, uh, it's alive and well now way before It's stronger than it ever was even then, And that Jezebel spirit now has linked hands with the anti-christ spirit. But all of them are controlled by the spirit of fear, the spirit of fear that's found in, ah, 2nd 2nd Timothy 17 I believe it is. It says I have not give you a spirit of fear, but off of love. Another sound mind, he said. I haven't give you a spirit that are so much fear.

McCoy: Right now. So many people are very afraid of COVID-19 and it spills out. It's great ripple effect, you know,

Pastor Snyder: The spirit of fear is what I believe that wraps up this Jezebel spirit in this anti-christ spirit together, and they almost if you allow me to put it this way they almost listen to the command of the spirit of fear. When I was growing up, like I said, people been talking about this my whole life. You know, you've read about 2000 years. How, though, how this is gonna happen. And I often wondered, the devil is a father lies. What lie is he gonna do to explain a raptured church? What lies there? He's going to say to explain to somebody You need to get this Mark. You're gonna give up all your freedom to get this mark. And there's always been all kinds of ideas. Aliens, uh, just different things that he would possibly use for a lot. But now we see that he don't need to lie

McCoy: People will stand in line to get them

Pastor Snyder: there standing in line because they're scared of dying. He's just told them. But we all know that we don't want to hear is that we're all we're all dying men talking to dying men. These people are so scared of their lives losing their body. Don't be. Don't be concerned about your body. Be concerned about what can destroy your your heart and your soul. your spirit in your soul, right? And people now have bought into this fear. Churches, educated people, people that are good people, that I know that I'm in there scared beyond comparing. I'm like your child of God. You're going to die. I'm gonna have something right. Even though I'm raptured, my flesh isn't going to heaven between here and there, I'm going to be changed. The body that I know is going to change. I'm going. This body has got to die so that my spirit and soul can live for eternity that I could be changed. And people forget that and they're being led by fear.

McCoy: Well, you know, a lot of times, even with the fear, it seems like some politicians have been able to use this fear to their advantage in Kansas, for example, closing the churches, but the restaurants and bars could stay open, you know, I mean, it seemed to be selective, but and people took the fear and just applied it, you know, they were like, Well, I can't go to church now.

Pastor Snyder: We'll see. That's where fear makes no sense. It's here. Yeah, it makes no common sense. And the laws that they passed. How can you have the state ABC stores the our liquor stores in this state's called ABC stores? How can they be essential? And yet a man spiritually well being is not essential.

McCoy: That's Ah, that's ah, very good question. And we're going to come right back with Pastor Tom Snyder right after this brief message. Hang in there.

 

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McCoy: And we're back with Pastor Snyder. We're talking about the end times and if COVID-19 has anything to do with it. But, you know, with this selective fear, you know, do you think that this is a way to possibly control the people? Or is it a way that they just automatically know that everybody's gonna fall in line?

Pastor Snyder: No. I believe it is a calculated move. Um, I believe that this I believe this This COVID-19 is real. I believe there is a physical virus that you know will kill people. It is it will affect your body. But I don't see it so different as some of the others in our history. Even in even in our recent history. Um, well,

McCoy: some arguments been it's been less of a threat than other types of.

Pastor Snyder: I was just looking a statistic that preacher friend of mine sent out. Um, it's incredible, um, where we're at on this thing statistically

McCoy: well and then for such a knee jerk reaction. In some ways, you know, I do believe it's very real, too, and people have obviously died from it. And we do need to protect a large part of our population, especially in this state. But, you know, we've closed schools, we've closed churches, we've closed businesses, they're letting people out of prison, and they're arresting people that are running their business, you know? I mean, there's some things out of

Pastor Snyder: there is it makes is no sense is there is no common sense. They'll tell you you can't go to a business that keeps certain businesses open. My wife yesterday she was at one of our local grocery chains, and we had to wait to get in the door and you have to take your steps. You follow the errors and everything. She gets over there and there is literally a line from the front toe, almost the back of the store. And she's bumped up shoulder the shoulder of somebody. How does that make any common sense? We gotta go for all this problem to get in the store. And then they put us in a cattle chute,

McCoy: right? And it's the same with Kansas, for example. Close the churches, but keep the restaurants and bars open. Well, you're still close to people. Yeah, And if you're in a bar, you've lowered your immune system because you've become intoxicated or you could become right. But, you know, a lot of this points back to it. It goes back to the fear of the end times. And I know that during those times will be Ah, the church will be completely persecuted. People will lose their lives. Starvation, war. You know, it will be worse than anything that the world has ever seen before. Am I correct in that?

Pastor Snyder: Listen, if I didn't have a faith, I would be scared to. I'm just telling you I would be petrified because what I see, even if I didn't even fight it. No Scripture prophecy. Just what I see going on in the world right now would scare me. I told somebody I can't imagine being a child in this day and time. You're everything your school, your life, your baseball, your football, you basketball, everything. That it was normal, even watching their shows, Nickelodeon and everything. It's all changed. So I would be scared. But see, as a child of God for me personally, I'm really my fate. One of my favorite scriptures is what Jesus said to his disciples. Let not your hearts be troubled. You believe in God, believe in me. Also in my father's house are many mansions, he said. Let not your heart be. And that's all fruit. When sorrows come in, this world has not seen whether it's in the next couple months or the next 100 years. I don't know, but it is coming, and if I didn't have faith, I would be scared.

McCoy: Well, you you believe in a pre Trib the pre tribulation rapture of the church um, What would happen for the people? Let's say that you are right and and the rapture occurs and tribulation starts. What will people go through that's left on earth right now?

Pastor Snyder: Oh, my immediately. Well, this is a surprise if we believe this is the beginning of the tribulation. See, there's two theories. If you're if you're not a pre trip person than you, don't believe that to pre Trib. Um, rapture is the beginning of the so you gonna have another point. We'll that other point to begin the tribulation would be think, The rise of the anti Christ taking over. They're almost enough. You're a pre tribulation rapture person. Didn't their simultaneous when the church's raptured out? And that's where a lot of people, then the Bible, talks about him. Who, having let it's let go? In other words, when the Holy Spirit takes the church out, then a new dispensation takes place. The tribulation is a dispensation unto itself. Right now. We're in the dispensation of the church age, from from the from the resurrection from the cross. The rapture takes place or soon is the anti Christ takes is in control. Then that age stops.

McCoy: And now, at that point, then we're under one world religion or Government or both?

Pastor Snyder: Under the anti Christ government. Um, for the for the next seven years, as far as on this earth. Now the Lord himself begins to work on the country of Israel, the nation of Israel, the the people of Israel who did not his first coming. But now it's going to usher in, um, you, Jesus is going to try to bring them back and they will. It will take them seven years and the whole world will turn against Israel, the whole world.

McCoy: But there are already turning against Israel.

Pastor Snyder: Now, we talked about common sense. Why in the world is the entire world bothered about a piece of real estate that isn't much bigger than the state of New Jersey?

McCoy: And in addition to that, Israel has equal rights, you know, they have women that serve in their military and also serve in every profession. Doctors, courts every day. The every neighboring country has no rights for for women and and they don't have any type of an independent press in any of those countries. But Israel has an independent press. They have an independent court. None of the other countries do. But yet the whole world keeps constantly attacking them. Is that part of

Pastor Snyder: they got through? They got their own word for anti semetic. I mean, well,

McCoy: is that part of the end times too? You know that everybody would hate

Pastor Snyder: I mean, it's what is what was prophesized 1948 was another key to prophecy when they became a country. I mean, you know, Hitler literally tries to, uh, get rid of them

McCoy: and so does now Iran, Iraq, the old

Pastor Snyder: They’re not going to do it. No one has been able to do it.

McCoy: Wipe them off. The face of the earth is what Iran says they're gonna do

Pastor Snyder: with just a swoop of the pen. They become a country again. And now they are one of the strongest there. The strong one of the strongest countries are a world power, but they're the size of New Jersey, you know, that's what I tell people I would be scared if my heart wasn't right with God cause I can see the writing on the wall. But I do believe in the rapture. And I do believe the Lord is coming soon, and so that excites me. This is what I'm living for. This is the boat. But there are all types. There is different types of rapture in the Bible. And the one thing that is there is not this great number being raptured out. You take Noah and his family. Eight people shadrack meshak abindigo have been If you look at the percentages of it, if you think the percentage of the COVID-19 is low per se, I imagine that percentage of the rapture This is where a lot of people got it wrong when they think that there's going to be, you know, billions of people just raptured off there. It's not gonna be like that.

McCoy: Well, you know, I tell you with the way that we keep seeing these things going, should we be concerned for our neighbors and our families for their salvation?

Pastor Snyder: Yes, the Lord from the very beginning, he did tell us that this is our number one job. This is what? The only reason that I'm on this earth it is not for me to build a big house or cars or business or even a food program. Because that's body. I mean, I do that. But my my number one goal is to evangelize people about Jesus Christ to bring people to Jesus. Because if your body's taking care but not of your soul, isn't you know? And yes, we need to be concerned, uh, and tell people that these things are happening.

McCoy: Well, even if you live to be 100 that's still a short time compared to eternity. Yeah, that's a breath, you know? I mean,

Pastor Snyder: this we were we were marching on a path that living to be in the 100 would be very, very realistic. My grandma just passed, and she was 96 up until she was Ah, 92 93. She lived completely by herself, and she walked clear up almost until she she left this earth. Billy Graham is a great 99 example. 99 years old. Kirk Douglas. Uh, you know, 103. Yeah. So we're seeing the age limits, you know, bump up there. But now Ah, we've almost just hit a jet break on this.

McCoy: What can somebody do to make sure that they're not going to be part of the tribulation and that they can go to heaven? What? What can they do right now that are listening to us? What is the plan for them? How can they, what do they need to do to get out of this mess?

Pastor Snyder: The most simple. And it's it's It's this simple. You have to ask Jesus Christ into your heart and asked him to be the lord of your life. That's it. Um, after that, the Holy Spirit starts leading you. He'll put you in the church, he'll put you in places. But right now can just drop on your knees and say, Lord, I do recognize that you did exist. You do exist. You're coming again. And I recognize that I am a sinner. I can't do this on my own. Please take my sins away and be the lord of my life. And if you mean it, you gotta mean it. You can't just say it, but you gotta you gotta really mean it. It's faith. You believe and you do that and you can receive Jesus and then the rest and you can contact people like me. People like you will point you, you know, in the direction you need to become a part of a Christian community where you can be taught and where you can learn.

McCoy: Outstanding. Now, how can somebody find you?

Pastor Snyder: We're on Facebook. We're on YouTube Back Creek Valley. Full gospel church. You can just Google us up. Ah, Facebook Back Creek Valley Full Gospel church. My own Facebook page. Tom Snyder, um, radio, we’re on the local radio here. Martinsburg, W R N R and in Winchester, 90.1, the point

McCoy: you're you're on their stations weekly, right weekly. Okay,

Pastor Snyder: If you Google us up, you can find us and learn more. Learn more in Uganda, you can. Google us up. You know, India places all

McCoy: around the world

Pastor Snyder: all around the world, but, uh, you pray this prayer, look for a Christian. Now there's a lot of people say they're Christians, but you pray and ask the Lord to send you a Christian. I'll pray with you. You know that God will send you that will help. you get youself a Bible. You know how to read. Get your Bible. Get you an old Bible for me personally. Now you go the others, like, get your King James Bible because you're not gonna mess up with that, right. And get a King James Bible. Then later on, if you want to go into other study translations, that's fine. But start out with that. You know, just start reading the word, go to the book of Matthew and find out how much Jesus loves you.

McCoy: Yeah, that's great, Pastor. Well, we really do appreciate you coming in here and helping us with all of this today. You've answered a lot of questions. Hopefully, you know, make a difference in a lot of people's lives today. We appreciate it. Thank you, Pastor.

 

Pastor Snyder: Thank you.

 

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Davy Jones 2nd interview

McCoy: you're listening to the news that matters. Podcast. I'm your host, Jeff McCoy. The news that matters Podcast has brought to you, in part by the African Freedom Network and the mission's Tribune newspaper. Our guest today is Davy Jones. He's running for share for Berkeley County, and this is his second time on our show. Mr. Jones is a veteran of the Army National Guard in a proud Patriot. He is a member of the Republican Party, the N R A Blue Ridge Patriots and the National Pro Life Alliance and Tea Party movement, among others. He describes himself as a Liberty Republican Constitutionalist. Mr. Jones is a grass roots activists and has been a state chair of the V L P A C. He stepped down to run in 2016 to run for sheriff for Berkeley County. He is currently the West Virginia chair for our American Initiative Grassroots program, dedicated to protecting liberty in the mountain state. He supports term limits, state and federal, a balanced budget reduction in government spending and taxation. He wants elimination of some U. N. Constitutional agencies and laws. He is a defender of the Second Amendment and supports constitutional carry. He founded tip watch dot com to allow citizens to submit confidential information and tips to law enforcement, and we will be right back with him right after this message.

 

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McCoy: welcome to the show, Davey.

 

Davy Jones: Thanks for having me. Glad to be back.

 

McCoy:  Let me ask you this how’s your campaign coming,

Davy Jones: it's It's good considering the whole, you know, COVID thing where you can't, you know, have any kind of public speaking forms.

McCoy: that's what all the candidates pretty hard,

Davy Jones: pretty hard. And then, of course, they extended, You know, the primary which causes all of us, to Step up, obviously spend more money for advertising for extended period of time, but have billboards up. I do a lot of social media stuff. I'm on my website. I am always open and ready to answer any question anybody has

McCoy: How, How is it coming along for you as far as the supporters, you're seeing a lot of support from the people?

Davy Jones: you actually See more every day. Especially since the current sheriff's actions have caused a lot of people to be fairly angry at him. Uh, Les barbers. That barber refused to close, and a deputy actually cited him for obstruction on an unconstitutional laws. You know, go in there and tell him he's got to close. The governor has no right to tell a business that they have to close.

McCoy: Well, you know, they're using obstruction on. It's pretty much a catch all,

Davy Jones: Yeah that's what That's pretty much then what that charge really is. It's

McCoy: like an Article 15 in the army.

Davy Jones: It's like, Hello, Uh, you didn't do what I said to do. So we're gonna charge you with obstruction, you know? And of course, that the deputies doing what he's told right by the sheriff, Why was the sheriff? I would have clearly stated that when the governor put those orders out that these are unconstitutional, you see somebody violating them. You give them a verbal warning and you'll even be because there they have a constitutional right to do these things.

McCoy: Well, I know a lot of businesses are really feeling the frustration right now from being closed for so long. There's so much pressure on some of them, and unfortunately, some businesses will not recover. Even some churches, even

Davy Jones: small businesses, they can't afford to be shut down for any even a short length of time. Where big businesses can, you know they have capital to float their business. Small businesses can't do that.

McCoy: A lot of small businesses don't even qualify for a business loan. And if they do, it's, you know, very small. Maybe 1000 or a couple of thousand. That's not gonna carry him over this amount of time. So it's been a real problem

Davy Jones: had been really big problem and the fact that the sheriff did not advise his deputies that the governor's wasn't a constitutional executive order because we all know what the executive branch and forces the law not writes the law,

McCoy: and somebody's got that wrong somehow, because you're speaking about the governor and what's going on in Charleston. You know, we've got this anti protest bill that will become law next month, has already been passed, and you know that is a law That means that if I come out, it's already against the law to destroy somebody's property, a company, for example. You can't go blow up a bulldozer and you can't interfere as far as blocking, you know there's laws against that, and there's also laws against trespassing. But this anti protest bill made it like a felony in certain cases and even did plan something like that is now against the law. I mean, I don't know how that could ever happen. So how would you handle that? As a sheriff?

Davy Jones: This is why I tell everybody I said it really doesn't matter who you send to Charleston because they all everyone has their own agenda. I mean, there are good politicians, bad politicians, But you better make sure you really care about who you elect for sheriff, because they're the ones that are going to enforce these laws. But and the sheriff has the right to say. You know what? I don't believe that law is constitutional. I'm not enforcing that law.

McCoy: Well, actually wouldn't it be against the law to enforce an unconstitutional

Davy Jones: certainly would be. And I'm one of those guys being in the military. You know, you have a responsibility in the military to disobey bad or unlawful order, An unlawful order. We are. Any, every veteran knows this. You don't plant it, no excuse blindly following orders, and then you're gonna, you know, getting awful the tyranny that you just did. So this law is just absolutely ridiculous. And if this question it looks like it's gonna pass it passes. You better make sure your sheriff believes in, uh, the Constitution.

McCoy: Well, you know it. And also just protesting. It seems to me like that's just part of the American way. That's how we voice our opinions and thoughts and things like that. And now, because, you know, you've got people protesting. We've had several protests take place in in Martinsburg, in Berkeley County. The Wayne Jones killing has been an issue. You know, some of the drug house ordinances in the motels. You know, we've had a lot of drug problems in prostitution and hotels, and people protest it there. You know, the thing is, I don't see how you could ever restrict somebody's freedom of speech. And this is core to American values, its cord to the very beginning of the Constitution. I mean, with this wasn't something thought up yesterday. This was written in from the original day one, you know,

Davy Jones: And what do they do first? attack the second Amendment because they know if they get rid of the Second Amendment, you can't defend the rest of constitutional, right? Well, now it weren't real successful at that, but now they're going to attack free speech because of the attack. Free speech. What does it matter what you think? You can't tell anyone, right? Can't gather for redress. Because you got you're worried that Oh, I do that they're going to say that's illegal. And I'm going to go to jail for felony, no less.

McCoy: Right. Which means now you can't own a gun or you can't get certain jobs. And it's gonna just

Davy Jones: just lost your pretty much most of your rights. That

McCoy: voting, I mean, your

Davy Jones: fundamental thing an American can do, right? So that's very careful about what, Sheriff, you elect?

McCoy: Well, you know, I think a lot of times it's like the French have said before. The Americans are afraid of the government and in France, the government's afraid of the people, and they have seen that they take to the street all the time, and they really make a lot of change and doing in doing that. But, you know, um, the other thing is we still were faced with a still major drug problem that we have in the area. I see a lot of businesses are closed down bars, restaurants, churches, but yet I still see drugs being don't you know? Actually, they're expanding. That looks to me like so. I mean, how would you handle that?

Davy Jones: Well, this is it. There's thing about human nature is that if you sequester people, people are people for people, Or are there some people that like to be solitary? But we are a pack animal society. Be so we can no longer gather with friends and family and discuss ideas and have fun together. People get depressed and they reach out usually to something like drugs. I saw a very interesting study done with mice. And what they did is, uh, gonna find this studying a shoot you the info on it, what it is. They basically addicted a group of mice to cocaine, and then another set they didn't. And they provided a nice environment with for the mice, you know, to entertain themselves. And they found out that the ones that were addicted to cocaine stopped going to that when they had things to do when they could entertain themselves. So really, just stop. You're never going to stop drugs. You just can't do it. People gonna do what they want to do when you got to do is provide a better society for people, so they won't look to that darkness.

McCoy: A lot of people are very proud of their work and their hobbies. You know, that has helped them a lot. Of course  When you start down the rabbit hole of drugs, pretty soon nothing matters. You've gotten into it so deep at this point that this is the priority of your life

Davy Jones: and nothing else matters becomes the monkey on the shoulder, so to speak. You know, you just can't get away from it and people. And my biggest problem is law enforcement treats It. It is a criminal issue when in reality it's a societal issue. It's a health care issue, and you can't. You can't incarcerate drug addicts because it doesn't do any good.

McCoy: Well, and we have so many here and in Huntington, you know, we're kind of leading the whole state in those areas, and there are a lot of programs that are coming out, but yet we still have the problem.

Davy Jones: I think a lot of it also stemmed from education. What I'd like to do is sheriff is I'd like to get into the middle schools and teach Children about alternatives, you know, to peer pressure to use drugs.

McCoy: And so how would you actually handle that program? Where to be like a deputy would make a public relations type

Davy Jones: at the minimum of that. But also, I'd like to get professionals to come in your mental health professionals to come in and talk to two schools and talk to the Children in schools so that they understand that their repercussions times people get into doing drugs and they don't understand the repercussions and consequences of it. Yeah, Yeah, they they're just looking for a way to be able to enjoy their life. And then they get roped into this darkness, and then there's no way out of it is their life in the tunnel. And it's our responsibility, you know, as neighbors to say to shine that light, Say, hey, come to the light here. We're gonna help you out and not say I'm gonna throw you in jail, you know, for 10 years and

McCoy: you've got a felony the

Davy Jones: same thing. And now you have a felony in your life's even worse,

McCoy: and you can't get a

Davy Jones: job, Lose most of your constitutional rights. Over there

McCoy: were, you know, a lot of times with 50 years ago that had been a crazy idea to go to middle school where that young of an age for any type of drugs that or talks like that. But today, many, many middle school Children have witnessed it at home or on the street, or they're participating somehow

Davy Jones: likely. And really, it starts out with education. It's like gun education. If you teach your Children, the guns are not toys that they are tools designed for specific purpose. They're not to be played with. Then they're not gonna play with them. You're gonna have No, you, you know, have the accidents that you have. But when you teach them there, the boogeyman, kids are curious. Right? Well, that's the bookieman. You know, Mom and Dad says to stay away from that. I'm curious why they would say such a thing. Yeah, I teach my kids how to shoot properly the rules of gun ownership, you know, right

McCoy: for safety. Above all, for

Davy Jones: safety, above all, never always assume is loaded. Never point a gun in the direction of something that you know, you know, know what's down wind of that target never pointed out anything you don't intend to destroy, right and always be certain that you want to use it at that time because it's not a toy. But education goes a long way, and that's where we've gotten. We've got away from education, the education, about drug use, education about gun ownership.

McCoy: Well, a lot of things have changed in West Virginia since I've grew up, you know, like we used to hunt and fish and everybody had a gun used to carry a gun to school, put it on the truck. But today you know you don't It's just the entire world has changed so much, and that's going to make it difficult. I think a lot of times to try to fix the problems that we have in Berkeley County, and all of the problems that we have cannot be fixed by a single sheriff or even the entire sheriff's department cause some problems are outside of that scope. But we do have many that are that could be dealt with, you know, and I think there's been attempts in the past But, you know, we've had different people doing it, and we're still getting stuck. You know,

Davy Jones: there's no follow through. It makes it, and that's the problem. Whenever you have term limits for a sheriff to, you get a good sheriff and there is only good for eight years going to do so much right. But he needs to have a plan. From day one. I've got a plan from Day one. I'm leverage technology. I'm gonna reconnect the sheriff's department with the community because really, the sheriff's department can't do it all. They just can't. They need the community's help. Wealthy community has thinks that there's this you know them and us mentality with Chart Sheriff's Department. It really not going to collaborate with the sheriff's department? Keeps just fix that.

McCoy: That can make a big difference. Okay, well, let's just take a short break here for our sponsors commercial, and we'll be right back with Davy Jones.

 

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McCoy: Okay, And we're back. Davey was just talking about technology, and that's been one of the things that you've been using in your whole campaign. It's one of your platforms, you know? So what? How can this technology be applied? Let's just go that we did talk about that a little bit near the show. But how do you feel about it now? And how's the public reacting to your to your plans for this?

Davy Jones: I'm getting a lot of positive feedback because we're, like, so far behind technology wise, we have deputies whose radios don't work in certain parts since the county. So we need to fix. We need definitely fixed these things that are impacting our deputies out in the field

McCoy: and right, And for the listeners that we just now have been bringing in and somebody hasn't heard your show in the past, you do have an IT background and that that might be what you're gonna base your plan on your experience in IT?

Davy Jones: Yeah, Systems administrator. So I run departments and a project manager, so I know how to run people and organized and get things done with budgets and just departmental issues to begin with. A lot of people say, Well, you don't really have a law enforcement background in the military, but you don't really have. You don't need one for share if you're an administrator, if you're doing law enforcement, you're not doing your job right. That's your chief deputy and my chief deputy I chose was Tim Greenfield. And he has 30 years of law enforcement security experience. Uh, you know, you that's the thing about administrator. Pick the right people for the job. They could do the job. So I've picked Tim because I know he could do the jobs. Got lots of experience doing it. I leave that matter to him to run the deputies and to do the law enforcement. The department management plan on you solely looking at that and fixing the issues within the first year. Hopefully, tech new technology tablet all the deputies so they could do all of the paper. We don't need any more Paperwork, old school.

McCoy: Well, I can t do this. We're in the areas where they're not getting radio reception. I'm assuming that's probably out in the valley, maybe, or in wherever that area is well, your tablets be able to work in those areas?

Davy Jones: we have to change the network that we're using. So I'll have to I'll have to work with the IT Department of the county and and look at different solutions on this. The solution that they obviously using right now is not adequate. If there not getting

McCoy: it seemed like that was a security risk to …somebody could get hurt out there.

Davy Jones: If the deputies using his personal cell phone because he can't, that's a problem. Yeah, it's a real problem.

McCoy: You could say that puts him at greater risk there, too, because if there is, you know, an incident that requires back up or additional help, the ambulance.

Davy Jones: And if he's got a tablet, the tablet will have GPS satellite GPS, so we know where they are. If they're an emergency, depend on the soft because there's a lot of different stall for out there for law enforcement to use. And that's something I have to be in the position. You do the research because that's part of administrative. You do the research, don't pick the first thing that comes up. You could find a better solution cheaper, but it allow them that if they haven't emerged, they hit the button on the tablets. They've got an emergency. So if even if they don't have a radio signal, they have GPS satellite and hopefully we'll have the wireless issue fixed throughout the whole county. And it will be the technology will work for them because we want the deputies. To have as much help. It's possible in the field because we know we're short so we can leverage technology to kind of offset that manpower shortage by making the jobs easier for the deputy and to be able to do their jobs quicker.

McCoy: Well, how would you overcome the You know, some people, This is not everybody. And this is also not a scientific poll that I've conducted here. But the biggest complaints I get is the same as we talked about before. People feel like they're not being respected. They're not being taken serious over their crime that occurred against them or their property, mostly against their property. And they don't you know, they just feel there's no connection at all with the sheriff's department. How are you going to overcome that?

Davy Jones: and see that comes back down to education. We need educator debt because aren't we? I could deputise. It's not like they're doing anything shady. It's not like they're being lazy. They just need the assistance, and that's where the sheriff is supposed to be. Open them to do their job. You don't send someone up for failure as you in there, your employees and employees. You give them what they need to be successful, and that's what I want to do with technology. But I also want to connect the department to the neighborhood. So I went the deputy, and so when someone sees a deputy out in a field, they don't feel intimidated and they want to walk away. They want to walk to say, Hey, how you doing? I appreciate your service. You know, I might have sold this or I saw that. You know, I like to toe to convey that information to you. That's also why I create Tip Dash Watch is so that people could actually submit confidential stuff. I didn't feel comfortable, but they were concerned because there's no connection to them.

McCoy: Well, how does that something go right? And how does that stay confidential. They're like, for example, if I witnessed a drug deal in my parking lot in my neighborhood how I still got to use a phone or somehow make contact or you cannot just go straight to the

Davy Jones: You go straight to the website and the website is run by. It would be Obviously he is now and would be run from outside the department. So you have to have a department have to have a warrant to get the information

McCoy: right, so that information is stripped off and only the information that is related to the crime is a crime, so any personal information could be stripped. Now, how can you be sure that the information you're receiving is not some neighbor just mad at the other neighborhoods always mowed the grass

Davy Jones: for your basic investing. Investigating skills come in handy. You know the deputy you have you have an obligation to go at least investigated. Right, Deputies, air smart people, you know, we got smart men and women, their deputies, you're going to see easily by talking to both parties. What's going on between the two, right? It's pretty and sometimes you can be pretty obvious, but you have to you have obligation to investigate.

McCoy: And what about some of the unsolved crimes that are being that we have right now? I mean, your day one, you're already behind the eight ball on

Davy Jones: Oh, I know. And it sticks and sticks in my craw Was my dad used to say, uh, Mike Kilmer, for instance. He's got his cases, has been out there, and it's ridiculous that it's gone nowhere?

McCoy: This was a gentleman that was hit by

Davy Jones: hit and run. He was on a motorcycle, and that's another something. Ah, going attention here for a second is motorcycle education safety because most drivers don't even get it. I'd like to have one day, maybe in Mike Kilmer's, uh, memory, in honor to have one day. Whether is the department would do motorcycle safety event. You know where people can get the information and put it again.

McCoy: How a play well together on the highway

Davy Jones: well together by with motorcycles. But what being Mike Kilmer's unsolved, why is it unsolved If it's unsolved in your detectives, pass it to the FBI, Yeah, pass it to the state police. If you don't think that you're you're capable getting it yourself. It needs to be solved. The family has been. They have a loss here. They lost someone they loved. And it's the department's responsibility to bring that person to justice. Right? And you gotta be like a dog with a bone. You cannot let go of it until it's done.

McCoy: Well, they have been waiting a while. I mean, this this is not a couple weeks here. This is

Davy Jones: That's just one instance of unsolved cases. So it's gonna be tough, but there may be I don't I'm not for sure how they're handling now because I'm not privy to the inside information here, but

McCoy: But still, it would seem like I realized that I can give you credit there, but at the same time, you're gonna come in and before your sworn into the time you leave on your first day in office, there's already a bunch of new crimes were being committed. It's hard for them to keep up with the crimes that are being committed. How can you handle the backlog?

Davy Jones: You're gonna have to manage your resources. So more than likely, I'm gonna If they have, they don't have somebody there. I'm gonna appoint somebody for cold cases, and then I'm going to make sure that I stay in the loop. So if the family comes up to me, asked me Hey Davey, What's going on about? You know, my brothers Ah, hit and run. I can say exactly what's going on. Not I don't know. You gonna talk to Detective? That's not acceptable, right? The sheriff needs to know what's going on. I mean, he's the boss. Right?

McCoy: well, that would you just brought up another question, You know, what kind of access will you give the press and the public to the office?

Davy Jones: See, that's the thing. I don't believe law enforcement. Should have anything private. I mean, obviously there's information in a case that needs to stay private. When?

McCoy: Sure, suspect. Right. I understand that part,

Davy Jones: but you need to be open because the department relies on the community. And who's the voice of the community? The press. So you got have worked together. It's gotta be collaboration. It can't be this, Oh, God. There's the press guy again. Run away. So he doesn't ask you questions. You don't want to answer now. You need to be asking they need to be asking those questions. You need be answer them. is a public official,

McCoy: right? And I think a lot of times the press understands that there's certain information we're not going get. And we can respect that because we don't want you. You know, we can understand that we're not going to get information about a murder case. When you're down to two or three suspects or whatever you want to run right, you don't want us to go print the names and then they skip. So you know, I get that Everybody in the press corps that I have ever met understands that there's certain boundaries in those areas. It's the same with the police line. You know, we don't across the police line and walk through a crime scene where you're taking pictures, right? You're tampering with him. You're messing in our standing simple. But when we're locked out and so you know there's just general questions, you know, we're deferment questions. You know, we'll ask a question. I'll say it just gets pushed down. Its deferred away. And it's the same with the public. What what are you doing about my kids? 10 speed bicycle that was stolen. What are you doing about? You know, my window was broken or my lawnmower was stolen or my shed doors kicked completely in. They didn't steal anything because there wasn't anything in there to steal, were slightly

 

Davy Jones: damaged property. Right? So what? What are you going to do? You know, and sometimes they feel really decision of technology. See if if all of the reports air dawn digitally on the tablet and and the website is redesigned to give victims access to their and only their case, they can see the updates on the case without even making a phone call. You know, they they might be unique. Well, what I'd like to do is when it whenever deputies out in a crime scene and he takes its notes down on the tablet and creates the case file. He actually gives the victim a user name and password log into the website connected case file so that they could actually log into the website and look at how their cases says that Mike Kilmer's family could actually look and see what's going on over the detective. Talk to Them. So is there some suspects or whatever and there's ongoing investigation and least they don't think nothing's happened, right? It's months and months, and I haven't heard anything

McCoy: right There were. Definitely keep everybody engaged. How can anybody learn more about your campaign?

Davy Jones: Well I.m a big social media nuts so you can find me on Facebook at Davy Jones 4 West Virginia. I have a website vote for the number four Davy Jones dot org and that's Davey without the A lot of people,

McCoy: right, No E

Davy Jones: and they could shoot me. An email Davy Jones at vote for Davy Jones dot org's all right, and I am an open book. You asked me a question. I will answer.

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Mike Laing 2nd interview

McCoy: You're listening to the News That Matters Podcast. I'm your host Jeff McCoy. The News That Matters Podcast is brought to you, in part by the African Freedom Network and the Mission's Tribune newspaper. Berkeley County Sheriff candidate Mike Laing has returned to the show, and he's going to talk to us about his campaign and how the public is reacting to him as a candidate. And, you know, he brings a law enforcement background into this race, and we'll be right back with him after this message.

 

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McCoy: we're back. Welcome to the show, Mike. How you doing today?

 

Mike Laing: I'm doing well. Thanks for having me.

 

McCoy: Great. I'm glad you're here. So the last time we talked, we went over a lot of different things that your plans are and how you know what you're going to do if you was elected sheriff, how's the campaign coming? What's going on?

 

Mike Laing: I think we've got a good foothold going on. We've been working hard but due to the COVID-19. It's kind of stopped.

 

McCoy: It puts a dent in the handshake and door to door campaign thing Doesn't it?

 

Mike Laing: Really. And, you know, we amped up social media just a little bit and kind of riding this wave out and see where it goes and the people take care with me, take care of them. We’ll resume.

 

McCoy: Well, what are you hearing from the public through social media? I mean, are they contacted by phone? Email? Things like that. And what are they saying?

 

Mike Laing: I'm getting a lot of positive support. I go to Walmart or anywhere. Hey, that's Mike Laing and they stop to talk and my wife said, Who's that? I have no idea, you know? Yeah, and I'm really been very surprised and very humbled by the support that that we're receiving.

 

McCoy: But now you have a law enforcement background, but you don't really have a background as a political candidate. This your first race, right?

 

Mike Laing: It's my first race has had a hard learning curve. It's been a very difficult quick learning curve. And I mean, there's, Ah,

 

McCoy: politics can get pretty dirty at any level, especially in with something like this.

 

Mike Laing: For the most part, they have been very calm. They really have been.

 

McCoy: how's the public reacted to you for, like placing signs and supporting you.

 

Mike Laing: The people call me every day for them. Um, we're supporting most of it financially ourselves. Um,

 

McCoy: I think most candidates are.

 

Mike Laing: but, uh, I think we got 270 signs out and boxes in the truck that we’re hoping to get out when restrictions get lifted. When it gets lifted we plan to go out and put up more signs and talk. I could go out, put 10 signs out be gone for eight hours. And where you been? talking Yeah, well, people wanted it. And that's the part I miss. That's the part I miss.

 

McCoy: Well, you know, that's that's because people do want to know, this is not a casual type race. I mean, people are heavily invested in this, the whole community. And one of the reasons is the drug problem that we're having. We've talked about that on the last show, and you you were talking about, like a multi pronged approach, which would make sense, you know, education, rehabilitation and law enforcement. But the bulk of it is on your side of it's gonna fall to law enforcement right?

 

Mike Laing: We have to get him to in the law enforcement to get him in the system to get the help they need or deserve. Well, all of the systems that are in place right now the, You know,

 

McCoy: Obviously arrests are being made, so you can say that in some ways that successful. But on the other side of that coin, there's still a lot of people that are witnessing, I witnessed a drug deal today, you know, not too far from where we're recording right now. So how how, we, what will you bring different on the enforcement of narcotics?

 

Mike Laing: My plan for enforcement is just that we're gonna enforce the law. My plan is very simple. If you choose to come to Berkeley County and sell drugs in Berkeley County, I'm going to everything in my power to take your liberties away. I am tired of seeing grand parents where his grandkids kids go hungry because they're taking the money to to buy the drug of choice. I've had it right, I've had it. So if you want to come Baltimore sell your drugs in Berkeley County, good luck getting back home.

 

McCoy: And, well, you know, that's ah, one of the things that I think a lot of people would like to see take place is some harder enforcement. And also possibly more intel, you know, because as you take somebody off the street there's three other guys behind them waiting to take that spot.

 

Mike Laing: I think that's where my background gives me the upper edge. You know, I work in the prison systems in Maryland for 25 years, and that's basically how I deal with criminal investigations and stopping their their businesses, stopping their revenue. And so it's very similar to the street. It's just more wide open here, right?

 

McCoy: Well, how did it get to be so wide open here? Because other every, state, Parsons, West Virginia in Tucker County, which is a pretty quiet, peaceful, low population, you know, really, it's Mayberry. But yet they're having problems right now with drugs not near to the level that were facing. But how did it happen here so bad?

 

Mike Laing: I think the folks just became so brazen that they're doing it everywhere. You know your calls, people ODing in McDonald's bathrooms. I don't know. The need is that much for it. That all sense of good thinking goes out the window. Um, I know personally and family, we've lost some members of our family to this. So everybody in Berkeley County's effected. But that was later another Nobody's had a Scotch free pass through this or someone stole something from somebody.

 

McCoy: Somebody's been affected by this one way or another.

 

Mike Laing: but I just think we're dealing with a different generation. Need it need it now instead of being in the backwoods. And I'll cite now mine, right? You know, you won't be up front and on it. I would be a friend.

 

McCoy: Well, you know, I think that a lot of the problems do go back to the the family unit even. But the school's over and over there, having so many problems in schools, they can't get the students, you know, really under control. Wasn't like when we went to school. If we did some of the stuff that kids do today, we probably wouldn't be going back to school.

 

Mike Laing: Yeah, we'd all been in trouble for that.

 

McCoy: But yet today, at that lack of respect at that level, because school teacher, the principal, the school nurse, you know, these are authority figures and with a total disrespect for them and that you have to expect that to carry on when they come out. So who are you? Your sheriff? Don't care.

 

Mike Laing: They have that sense of entitlement, They not me, right?

 

McCoy: But, you know, that's gonna be a problem a lot of times. And then so many of you know, I think that for me, it would seem like one of the better things to do would be to work more and undercover operations. I know that we have the Narcotic Task Force. We've talked about that before, and you definitely don't want to interfere with the good work that they're doing. And I understand that. But it would seem like maybe we should throw some more money or manpower into that.

 

Mike Laing: One of my plans is to have a drone control center that we could pull the van appear and take the drone. Just observe. I'm not putting six boots on the street. I got the vein with a 76 inch screen and drone that we're watching, right? I think we get to cover more air more ground and let's see more things that way. No, that's part of my plan.

 

McCoy: That sounds like a good plan.

 

Mike Laing: There’s one in the sheriff's department currently using drones. I think guy is the f f A. I think the other one certified, and we can put law enforcement in that program. And that's part of my plan to do that well, that to fly a drone.

 

McCoy: to get the commercial license from their, like you're talking about there. I mean, that that is a matter of a course. Uh, it's not a matter of getting a private pilot's license where you've got a, you do have to learn a lot in that. You gotta learn how the charts work, whether there's stuff in there that you learned that you would definitely be able to apply as a pilot. But it shouldn't be that difficult versus, you know, like I could understand. If you're trying to put a fleet of helicopters out, you're gonna have a whole different a set of rules, really. But with for flying a drone, it is a test, and it would require I'm not saying it's an easy test, but it's not something that most deputies couldn't pass, and it's fairly cheap. I don't know the price. I think somewhere around 150 bucks for the license, it's the application and

 

Mike Laing: I read an article a while back that Ranson has it. They have two officers to drone operators, and I think the price tag was $5600 to do that, right?

 

McCoy: you're counting the drones there because obviously they're using, the better. You can buy a drone for $100 or you can buy one into thousands of dollars. But I would imagine you indeed one that could record audio. And do you think that there would be any legal challenge on that, uh, unlawful search? Anything like that that might come up?

 

Mike Laing: I don't foresee any. I've talked to some folks. Um, but they're using it now, so most of them are on board with it. I just think it's a different approach. Different angle. You know, no one ever looks up.

 

McCoy: Yeah, you you don't look up. I just think it's a different tool to use. Ah, Tool doesn't hasn't been used here, and they're not expecting it. And it and the thing is, you know, as technology changes it. Just every model seems to have improved on the last model that came out there much more stable. They’re more easy to fly now, And, of course, with all the technology. We were using drones overseas in the military, and they're small drones and large drones. You know, we're using drones that are unmanned that could take out a tank. And we're also using smaller drones for surveillance in front of a platoon or squad in the movement, you know, so that I would imagine there would be a lot of advantages to that.

 

Mike Laing: I could see being multipurpose tool, right?

 

McCoy: And what what other ways would you use it?

 

Mike Laing: just for a basic surveillance, And even if we got into crowd control to, um, you get into hostage situations, you know, we're going fly in and take a look. It can see where we can't see. I could see having being a very multi use to, right?

 

McCoy: Yeah. I mean, for the cost. It would just seem like it's fairly cheap enough to do. I mean, that's not a big budget item. Nobody's actually talked about that. That seems like a pretty good idea. As long as it doesn't infringe on, you know, I mean, I guess you would have to have some type of probable cause, so you just don't like somebody's house.

 

Mike Laing: You see something then the road Officer would stop him and go that way, right? I mean, you're taking 3 or 4 boots off the street. Put one drone in there in observing a larger area, right?

 

McCoy: And there's several areas in the county that are already known as a drug swapping place. If you want to call it that,  a lot of parking lots of businesses is right. And so it's It's like a standard. It's a business. It's like it's a business without the store without the physical store

 

Mike Laing:in the second part of our plan is with the community policing. I want the same guy in the same area every day. He's working. I want the same guy from Inwood to Virginia line, and once you once you do that they buy in, it becomes their territory. This is my house,

 

McCoy: Plus It helps the citizens that are here to have more respect because now they know this guy by on a first name basis versus here's somebody exactly different than what we had two hours ago exactly, and I think that that would make a huge difference to are you able to do that for three shifts? I mean, can you spread the current workforce that way?

 

Mike Laing: Staffing is like a chess game. You, we play chest. We both start the same amount of pieces. It's how I use my piece and employ them dictates the outcome. That's how staffing is with me, I staff 500 staff members. So staffing is kind of my forte so I can make things happen out of 10 that people couldn't make happen out 14.

 

McCoy: Well, you know, other police departments, like especially larger cities. San Francisco To a certain extent, Los Angeles You know, they have cops that are patrolling the same area. They know the business owners. They eat their lunch there, get a soda here, you know. So they're stopping in all these places and they're not on a regular basis. It's not that you can't time him out. He might not come back for another two days, but you know that he's in the neighborhood, and that seems to have worked pretty well for those communities.

 

Mike Laing: It's working well in Martinsburg. And then you also have people more willing to pass information because, hey, I kind of know your trust. You and you've been here becomes part of the community. That's our goal. Get the deputy to be part of those communities, take ownership of it.

 

McCoy: I believe that that would be a pretty decent idea for sure. Let's says Stop for just a brief second here and take a message and we'll be right back with Mike Laing.

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McCoy: Okay and we’re back with Mike Laing. He’s running for sheriff of Berkeley County, West Virginia I know that everybody, all the candidates are pretty much knocked out of the face to face campaign right now. But prior to that what? How would they react into your ideas?

 

Mike Laing: My community policing idea having the same guy in this same area every day has been overwhelming. They're loving it, you know? Hedgesville. They loved it. Everybody I speak to you talked to you know, some of the pillars of the county didn't Back Creek Valley is such and they love it. No.

 

McCoy: Do you think if the election was held today, who would win? I guess we found out when he gets well, how how do you feel about your campaign so far? Are you getting any negative feedback from the community? Yes, I think. What's helping May?

 

Mike Laing: In my case, I'm the only candidate that has lived in Berkeley county his entire life. Um, everybody knows somebody from my family, right? And I think that's helping. I really do right, especially in the valley.

 

McCoy: We've had comments come in to us from people in the valley that you are related to, and they've been supportive, and then also that spills out to their neighbors and that small community, which then could turn into a bigger community.

 

Mike Laing: So I have been out in the community, you know, we were harder that Berkeley County's fair. We did Labor Day at the park. Um, all the Roatans , breakfasts and dinners. We've been to them to support and get our message out. Here we are.

 

McCoy: Well, you know, have you noticed that it seems to me like we've had a lot more engagement for the candidates in our case. For example, we get a lot more traffic onto our podcast over the candidates for this than candidates or other, even other news stories. And I think that's because people like I said earlier, they feel very invested in this. And also we've had positive comments have come to us and, you know, thank you for we just want to hear the candidates, we wanted when I'm not saying I'm voting for or against, but I want to hear them. I want to see what they're saying. You know, that proves to me that they're very invested in this. They want some results. They want some change.

 

Mike Laing: I cannot literally walk in a store without talking to someone. Now we stand back low further these days, many things social distancing when we do go out. But before then we had a good foothold. I was very pleased with the foothold.

 

McCoy: Well, do you think that there's any other particular candidate that strong that's closing in on you?

 

Mike Laing:  You know, I'm going to say this, I think all candidates bring a unique thing to the table. So right now we're just running my own race. They were going to find out. We'll find out on June 12th.

 

McCoy: Yeah. Well, now, let me ask you if you were to win and you served your term, do you have any other political ambitions? Anything higher? Any other office past this?

 

Mike Laing:  Here's my 12 year plan. There's two terms of sheriff. One term is Magistrate and retire and step out of it at that point.

 

McCoy: Nothing? Nothing out of the county?

 

Mike Laing: I will be 68. At that point, I'll have three retirements and so security in cabin on lake somewhere. And see you later.

 

McCoy: Yeah, get out of that mess.

 

Mike Laing: You know, that would been, I've been in that game arena for 42 years. Yeah, so it's a long time I loved it's been good to me.

 

McCoy: All right. So, Well, The, other thing that I want to ask you about Well, you know, like for a lot of people, use the sheriff's department's a stepping stone to move into the statehouse, even as something else, You know,

 

Mike Laing: I'm not leaving Berkeley County.

 

McCoy: Okay? So you're fully committed.

 

Mike Laing: Yes, sir.

 

McCoy: If you were not to win the election, what would you do? run again?

 

Mike Laing: I am currently the Chief Court Marshall in Berkeley County. I've been a Berkeley County employee since 2012. That's what got me into this. You know, I didn't care for what was being done. And Dad always said, You can't get complaining…. We're going to change it. So here I am, trying to change it. If the next guy comes in and I'm agreeing to what's being done and things are being done hats off. Good luck,

 

McCoy: Well, you know, we've talked so often about the drug problem, but do you see any other problems that are as important as that problem that you would address? I mean, there's a lot of staffing issues. There's budget issues, but is there any other problem that the public is feeling?

 

Mike Laing: The staffing? I don't I don't know what the right size for the Sheriff's department will be my first day in January 1st, but January 17th I have to have my budget to the council for 21 22 .I'm living there where it's going to take a lot of speed going. Take time to figure out what I needed next 18 months. So then we will conduct a staffing in different studies, have different numbers. You No one will say 75 per 1001 would say, you know, hundred for 1000. So there's different studies, but we need to sit down. Is he what our county needs? You know, right now, they have, like, I don't know the exact number. And I'm just saying this as example. They have eight deputies when every shift every day. Well, if Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursdays you're running 40% Calls of what you're running on the weekend. The weekend. That's in fact, the weekend little better. So it is different avenues you can take and get positive results

 

McCoy: Well, and also you'll be able to get a firsthand look at what type of calls are coming in because the data even that the press kits is dated a little bit. Not not because anybody is deliberately trying to withhold information. It's just that the way that that works, right? Yeah, it's all gonna be compiling the FBI ends it down, you know, And we've seen crimes go up in this area compared to the national average. And then we in the recent years, we've seen it start to turn down along with the national average. And I'm talking about violent crimes and was in Berkeley County. It appears, and I could be wrong here, but the bulk of our violent crimes are domestic abuse, and I base that on the matter of the fact that the calls are taking place at a residence.

 

Mike Laing: And the sheriff was on another radio station last week and said during this luck in, they went up 20%.

 

McCoy: Yeah, a lot of people are at wits end. It got all the kids home right now. It's putting a lot of pressure over that was not knowing where their paychecks coming from where their food. Food for feeding the kids at school, two meals a day. Now, all of sudden, you're responsible for all of them with a lot of pressure home.

 

Mike Laing: I'm glad. Fortunate we're not one of those pressures, but right. I bet a lot of people you got to be able to sympathize with that. You know, and they haven't been in that place. And I think a lot of times, just the fear and worry about where your next paycheck is coming from, especially when you're looking at hungry kids. It is. And a lot of organizations have stepped up in the county. I'm feeding the kids. Where was it 20,000 lunches last week alone?

 

McCoy: Yes, actually, now that is been very impressive. A lot of churches and volunteers through the schools have been able to do that because in Berkeley County, for as much as we have here, you know, we're not really related to the southern or the central part of the state where there's really serious poverty levels. But yet we still have the majority of our kids, and there's free lunch programs because it's needed. I'm not speaking against that. I'm just saying that, you know that that shows you where our population is.

 

Mike Laing: Even a private sector have served free lunch for kids, right? And I think I've been very touched and moved by it and their generosity and there a sense of community and community pride in West Virginia is hats off to him.

 

McCoy: Yeah, West Virginia's got some really great people

 

Mike Laing: They really do. They really care.

 

McCoy: Well, you know, the other thing that I want to ask you about was if you was to be able to come in and make the changes that you wanted right now, we still don't know about staffing until you get a chance to look in there. Right? So we can't really go down that route too much on the staffing issue.

 

Mike Laing: Well, I can tell you right now, we're going to get the HITA grants, that’s two grand right off the bat. We're going plan for the that? That's two positions. The school board reimburses 75% for the three officers. You take that 75 75 75 gives you two and 1/4 positions. So I take that to positions with the two HADA grants. I just put four on the road. It didn't cost you more money, right?

 

McCoy: Well, now will you seek other grants to Yes, sir. Do you know which branch and you don't? Not that I'm asking the name of, but do you have you researched at to find out which direction you're going.

 

Mike Laing: I think they're working on the  right as we speak right now with HIDA and the . And, you know, if there's a program out there to bring the dare program back to do something schools, I'm all for that. You know, Let's let's educate. Let's educate kids. Let's educate parents. Um and that's one of things I have said. I am willing to educate the parents, open the doors to the sheriff's office training room here and have Tim who does a great job a day report center. This is what you need to be looking out for right now. These are the key indicators.

 

McCoy: Do you know I've sat in many homes where a child is overdosed or even an adult child has overdosed and died? And so often I hear people say, Well, you know, it's white trash. They live in a eight wide foot trailer. Moms a hooker and Dad's in prison, and these homes were beautiful and the parents could not have identified heroin if I to set it on the table in front of him. So that type of education may be able to help them because a lot of parents. They don't have a drug background. They're hard working school teachers, construction workers, you know, lawyers. Their out here doing what they're supposed to do and never even put any thought into it now will send its in their own house and they don't know what it is. So that type of education program could be very valuable.

 

Mike Laing: That that's one of the tools I want to bring to the county. I want to make parents and formed of what's going on, keeping up with the trends, things they're using. No one time it was air cleaners, and you know so right, just educate him well, even the the terms that the language slang it's being used to make purchases on the phone. You know, sometimes kids are different icons for different things. Sensibly and phone. The parents need educated.

 

McCoy: I think that's a big step. It’s a big step That would definitely help, for one thing's for sure, it won't hurt because it makes a lot of difference to the families that have lost a loved one.

 

Mike Laing: I would imagine that that would reach out to a whole lot of people at one time.

 

McCoy: It seems so. This would be a free class? that they would just register into for control in space.

 

Mike Laing: I'm sure just registering and come in . If it need to get bigger we’ll make it bigger.

 

McCoy: That's right. It is that simple. Well, and also for parents, especially. It can't happen in my house is kind of attitude that a lot of people have, and it's like it. My house can't burn down, but you have houses burned down every week here, but you know it, it does happen. And I don't think that they're saying it because they're better. They're not saying I'm better than you, but they're saying, Hey, I don't have that kind of background. I've never bought this in. I did not introduce my Children to this world of this drug world on, but it's so common here,

 

Mike Laing: I would say Go search your kids bedroom. Yeah, get to know your kid, we don't talk to, but I am willing to bring anybody who would come in, put on seminars Q and A's whatever. And here's what we're dealing now. Here's what the trend in Berkeley County you know? Listen for this. What's for this? Nothing could be beneficial in a very short period of time.

 

McCoy: Yeah, I would, I would imagine. I think that would be a pretty good idea because a lot of people would love to go back and have the opportunity to see what's going on. And it could also maybe help even the general public, because our these guys selling drugs here in the parking lot, I don't know what What is it, what does even look like? What's the language for the code, really, and then some of the hot spots, you know where they're at. If you could identify those, it would seem like that would be the place to put your drone and that seemed be placed. Put the drone or run traffic control. Yeah, because it's a real problem. Presidents makes it the times. I tell you, Mike, we really appreciate you coming on the show. How can somebody learn more about your campaign?

 

Mike Laing: Mike Lang on Facebook L A. I. N. G. E. email me at Mike laing at outlook dot com or get me called my personal cell 3045793386.

 

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John & Sher Orem Podcast transcript

McCoy: You're listening to the news that matters podcasts. I'm your host. Jeff McCoy. The news that matters Podcast has brought to you, in part by the African Freedom Network and the Missions Tribune newspaper. John Orm, candidate for Berkeley County Sheriff's Department, is returning to our show with share Orm his wife. They will be sharing news about their campaign goes for the community and how he will fight corruption and protect the people of Berkeley County. We'll be right back with them after this brief message.

 

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McCoy: Okay, we're back now. We've got a full show here today. Welcome to the show, John. Share. Thank you for having us.

John Orem: It's nice to be here.

McCoy: Uh, just let me start off with How's your campaign coming?

 

John Orem: Wonderful. Wonderful. We just went over 1600 likes on her Facebook page. We've had just in the last seven days almost 500 new visits to our website. Um, the feedback has been absolutely wonderful from the public. It's actually going very, very well.

 

McCoy: That's good. A lot of candidates would like to be in those shoes right now.

 

John Orem: Yeah, I agree. I agree. It's a good place to be, and I feel very confident about it.

 

McCoy: Are you concerned about any particular candidate? That's ah opposing you right now?

 

John Orem: No, no.

 

McCoy: You're running your own campaign?

 

John Orem: We're running our own campaign We're not worried about what anybody else is doing. Most of the other opponents that I have are good guys. Um, I just know for a fact that what I bring to the table for six suppresses anything they bring to the table.

 

McCoy: And you're basing that on what?

 

John Orem: Well, very simple. I was 10 years in law enforcement, Um, After that, I opened up a couple of businesses. I ran four or five businesses simultaneously and successfully over last 20 years. Multimillion dollar budget, over 200 employees at one time. Security guard companies. So basically, I have law enforcement background, and I have a great track record on running budgets, running personnel and, you know, just general operating procedures as to how to keep things up and running. And this

McCoy: In the private sector.

 

John Orem: You know, the government sectors lot easier. You run out of money, you don't go bankrupt and lose everything. You ask people for more money. I don't believe in that. Personally, I believe in a smaller government. But if I can do it in the private sector and do it very, very well and very successfully, I absolutely can do it in the public sector.

 

McCoy: Well, since the last time that we've talked, have you had a chance to meet with other deputies or even people in the public? What are you seeing is the changes that need to take place.

 

John Orem: There's a lot of changes that need to be taken place in this county. But it with sheriff's department specifically, um, I would tell you that probably one of the biggest things is the overall attitude of the police officers, The deputies. I'm not I said it just a minute ago. I'm not a big government guy. You know, I do believe in smaller government. But when it comes to the deputies, I believe in a community oriented policing I don't believe in. You know, I'm not a subject of the state. I'm a citizen of the state. So I want the deputies to treat me that way. I don't want them to look down their nose. I don't want them to talk to me rudely. I don't want them to act like they don't have a minute of time to waste on my stolen lawn mower. You know, I want them to come out work with the public joined with the public, be friendly with the public, have interaction with the public. You know, stop in every single day to different stores to different places and talk to these people and get communication going back and forth because there is a lot of us against them type mentality. Unfortunately, I mean, look at New York. I mean, look at what they're doing. That is poor officers in New York, you know, they're spitting on them, throwing urine on, um, punching him in the head while they're trying to arrest people. And their supervisory isn't taking up for him because, in my opinion, they're too far Left, too much on the citizen side. Um, there needs to be a strong balance, you know, And I do I bleed blue. I love law enforcement at the same time. I love law enforcement. That's good people that are good to the citizens of, you know, our county. I'm not saying in any way that the officers that we have our bad I'm not trying to say that, you know, one bad, um, officer will overshadow the other 50 that are wonderful, But what I'm saying is they're perceived is bad. And if we get out there, involved the community more and have these officers treat the community a little bit differently, you know, it's not so much the officers. It's the fact that they're not being held to a higher standard. You remember the old adage. Protect and serve, right? Well, that doesn't mean protect the other officers from lawsuits and serve your own means. That means protect the citizens and serve the citizens that used to be on most police cars across the nation. Even you don't see it much anymore now, and so that's probably one of the biggest changes that I think needs to be made. There's a lot of budgetary issues, the fact that we need to get more grants in the fact that we need to do more drug interdiction on the interstate. We need to do drug surveillance. We need to take a lot more things into consideration that we're not taking into consideration like Cold case files. Why don't we have a cold case unit? You know, they try to act like we don't have unsolved murders. We don't have unsolved major cases around here. We don't have anybody that I know of this looking into cold cases, we could take retired officers, troopers, city police officers, investigators from ATF that have retired into this area. Make a group of guys that just goes over these old cases because you know, these people that had somebody murdered it's important to them a year ago, 20 years ago, 30 years ago, very, very important to them. And even though that person may have gotten away with it for this long, it shouldn't continue to go on.

 

McCoy: Well, you know, there's a lot of families even in this area right now that are very unhappy with even how the investigation's air going. I mean, it's just they feel that they're not being represented at all by law enforcement. And it's not just a sheriff's department. I mean, it's really all of them here, And the number one thing that we keep getting here at the newspaper is when we're asking people to give us a comment or what they think about the law. Enforcement, instead were neglected, were not being taken care off. People are committing crimes over and over. We had a new case just yesterday, where here a person was with I know trespassed. And he was standing on the property and they came out and told him he couldn't be there. You know, I don't understand how somebody like that's not being arrested.

 

John Orem: Well trespassings. It's not an arrestable offence until it's like a second or third offense. But regardless, I agree with you, and that goes for a lot of different. The proper word is petty crimes. You know, the stolen lawn mower, the busted window of your car. You know they're coming out. They're giving you a report number and saying here, you need this for your insurance. Have a nice day. They're not taking fingerprints. They're not spending time saying, Hey, did the neighbors see anything? What do you know? Do you have any ideas who might have done this? They're not following up on it. Are you comparing to where other crimes are very similar? You know, in the neighborhood or even in adjoining neighborhood? Absolutely. Absolutely. And I mean there's a whole gamut of we could use the next hour just talking about this subject and how to solve it with proper supervision. Proper paperwork filing to proper investigation at the time of the arrival of the officer for taking for fingerprints of collecting evidence, tool mark evidence or tools left behind, comparing it to other crimes. Talking to neighbors All that's getting neglected, and I'm hearing from the deputies over so busy we're so busy that we only have time to do this. We don't have time. Well, then we need to solve that problem because you're here to protect and serve. And right now my car window was busted out and I need served right, and it's and it's an expensive problem. And even though the the thief may not have gotten much, or maybe they did, but still it's a problem. They're going bust out of $200 window to get $10 worth of change. And, you know, it's just it's really, really said that this is occurring, but it is definitely a solvable problem.

 

McCoy: Sher, How about you? What do you think about all of this going on and John running for sheriff?

Sher Orem: Well, uh, personally, I've never wanted John to run for sheriff. That's not something that I've kept hidden. However, personally, I do believe he would be an amazing person for the job. For all the reasons that he said, I do believe he's more than capable. Um, personally, I just I'm not very fond of the way that we're treated because of the way people feel. Personally, um, you know about him running the things that we've been subjected to because they want to try to, you know, play out an agenda.

McCoy: Right now, some people are going to oppose John. So we're going to support it. But you could actually say that for all the candidates. Some people are not gonna support. The other candidates are running. So what specifically are you referring to?

Sher Orem: Well, uh, basically, we haven't been treated fairly. Um, I say we

John Orem: Can I interrupt for one second, You know, let me back that up for a second, and I'll probably get in trouble for interrupting my wife. She probably smack me on top of the head later. But, you know, basically, I'm running for sheriff and I have been attacked every single way possible. And I see that happen with, um, you know, the gentleman that ran for Supreme Court. Kavanaugh. You see it happen with Trump. You see, it happened with a lot of candidates, but the problem is I've been attacked from local powers to be the good old boy system. If you want to say, you know everybody from Madam Stand at the Herald, Male putting lies straight out lies into the newspaper mistreatment by the courts. People in power trying to have my insurance pulled off my rental properties. Trying to have my license is pulled up. I hold a lot of different professional licenses. I've had a five year a state audit. First time I've ever had an audit and it was a five year audit and it was all because of a

 

McCoy: But how how did you do with the audit?

 

John Orem: Oh, that's just it. They keep throwing this stuff at me, but they're thrown it out there. They're advertising it through madam's that or some other corrupt agent of the news, and they're letting it go. They don't advertise. The fact every bit that they throw at me doesn't stick because it's not true. They're making these things up and they're making them. Look, look at the drug house ordinance 80 90 people charged with this supposed violation. How many of them made headlines?

 

McCoy: Well, actually, yours name was mentioned more often than, I don't actually recall.

 

John Orem: I don't Nobody else's name was mentioned. Mine was the only one headlined, What is that for? What was the purpose? Trying to beat me down Beat me down. It's not that I lost the election last time because of people not wanting to vote for me. It's because the powers to be the good ‘ol boys they beat me down because they know they can't control me. I'm not a bad guy. They just don't want me in that position because I will arrest the judge. I will arrest a politician. I will arrest the people that need arrested. That's not what needs to be done if if they're being straight, being honest. But they're no better than you or me.

 

McCoy: Are you telling me that somebody that if you had reasonable or reasons to believe that they were committing a crime or have committed a crime in the past that you would go after them or at least into an investigation? I'm not talking about false arrest, but you would launch an investigation against somebody has been

 

John Orem: I've been a law enforcement officer and I bleed blue but I've also had false allegations put against me several times recently, and I know what it's like to be on the side of false allegations. And I know what it's like to see people get away with crimes that shouldn't. I'm telling you I will fairly enforce the law. I don't care who it is.

 

McCoy: Well, now, speaking of, you know, being falsely accused in the past and having these type of problems, have you? It seems like you're making a curve or, you know, more people are starting to understand more the truth Or am I wrong?

 

John Orem: People still attack, and my wife can speak to this. But what you'll see is the fact that the more they throw at me, the clearer it becomes the picture to the public becomes more clear because no one person should have literally 15 different supposed things thrown at them in the last two years that never stick. I mean, it's sort of like, you know, just throwing it on the wall and trying to find something that'll stick because they have no evidence. They have no reason to throw it out there. They're just throwing stuff out there like crazy. So meanwhile, that gets into the press and people are saying But But people are saying, you keep throwing this stuff. But everything bounces off. Everything is it is a Teflon John. No, he's not Teflon John. He didn't do anything. They're just throwing things to try to beat down his name and his character.

 

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McCoy: and we're back with John Orem. Share Orem. Okay, let me just run over something here real quick though, you would say, and that you would go after anybody that is committing a criminal act. Or, you know, would that also include the good old boy network?

 

McCoy: Absolutely. So judges, police officers, Nobody is outside of the law or better than the law. The truth of the matter is you know we have some corrupt people in power. There's nobody that will dispute that if they do that, they got blinders on. So why would it be okay? For instance, if, um, you know, some 19 year old kid from Ah, family that has very little is going down the street and he had four beers. He gets arrested for D. U. I. That's what happens every day. Yeah. Okay, So if a 60 year old judge or delegate, or police officer were going down the road and you get pulled over, and what, they get a ride home? Oh, absolutely not. You know, the standard needs to be the same for everything. Everybody. And that's one of the problems we have. And again, I'll turn this back over to sher to speak on this. But they're not treating me the same. They're trying to single me out to keep me from getting into this position, and that's fine. You know, I'll fight the fight all day long, but at this point, they can't get anything on me. So they're starting to beat down on my wife because you you have withstood every single charge brought against you, and it's all come to not So what is happening now?

 

McCoy: Sher?

Sher Orem: Well, basically, the business was put over into my name, Uh, after Judge Faircloth was, you know, trying to make John's medical records public.

McCoy: And this is the bail bond business?

John Orem: Yes. So everything was put into my name, so we could just kind of, you know, she was personally attacking him. We just wanted to avoid headaches and decided that maybe it would be easier if I just, you know, stepped into the position, took over the business and got renewed through my name. At that point, she had used a testimony from Kim Clark stating that I had deceived her and allowing me to write a bond. Um, that John has walked me through. And through that testimony, um, I said that I was deceiving the courts. And

McCoy: in what way are you referring to the video entry or you're talking about that actually filling out the paperwork?

Sher Orem: Well, it was both

McCoy: Who filled out who actually was on the line with the paperwork.

Sher Orem: Well, I filled out the paperwork, but it actually has, it's a book of powers that has pre stamps signatures of John's, but they didn't realize that. So they were using it as he filled it out because of his signature.

John Orem: Okay, it's sort of like a dollar bill, Trumps the president, But who's signing our dollar? Right, But and also it's the same thing.

 

McCoy: I think sometimes with that allows, correct me if I'm wrong, that allows unemployee of the bail bond business to go in. So if I go in, if I worked for you at two o'clock in the morning or seven o'clock in the morning, whatever. We don't have to actually bring you in for your signature.

Sher Orem: Yes, yes, so in conjunction with his signature stamped all news powers. Ah, they were saying that I had came in and concealed him on the camera. So Kim Clark didn't know he was trying to come in, which

McCoy: we have seen that. The Mission's Tribune has run that video. We've actually published that video, and it does show that you are not, actually, there's times where you can't see you, exactly that we can see John very clearly, so I can at least ah, vouch for that from very published that one So then,

Sher Orem: So basically, my testimony and Kim Clark's testimony weren't going, you know, they didn't match. And so she said that she found me not to have you no good moral character and the fact that my testimony wasn't what the testimony of the clerk, you know had given. And, um, so with that being said, she found me not to be in good moral character, which at the time, I didn't realize the weight that would carry. Recently, um, I had tried to become a Casa Advocate. Um, I was supposed to be sworn in this past Thursday, yesterday, and the day before I get an email stating that because of the finding of the courts for me not to have good moral character, I would not be able to represent Casa by being an advocate.

McCoy: Is there anything else that this could be the Sher? Have you been arrested before? Do you have a felony record?

John Orem: I have nothing bigger. Nothing. Not a speeding ticket. I took a drug test. I've come completely clean. There's nothing they have on me in any way, shape or form, ever, ever.

John Orem: Well, well, you know what's even funnier is the fact that okay, Miss Faircloth decided she doesn't have a good moral turpitude because she supposedly concealed me and snuck me in the court, which is impossible to do. And it clearly was contradicted by the videotape that we got from the surveillance footage at the courthouse. And so now share and the bail bonding can't go forward because of this moral turpitude. And she can't work with Children through Casa because of this moral turpitude. Yet the woman that got up and testified and perjured herself that we proved with the video from the courthouse perjured herself on the stand and circuit court was Kim Clark guess where she works the magistrate's office. She is an employee of the court. She works with the courts every day. She handles all the documents coming into and out of the office of that magistrate. She perjured herself. That is a true crime. That's not just a moral turpitude. That's a true crime if something that most courts take very serious what she's still working in there every single day. But we can't have people. They're going to bail, bonding or share can't She can't work with Casa that the irony of that is just mind blowing. That is pretty strange. There. Now, why do you suppose that this is happening? Why this much effort? I mean, it is Berkeley County is known to be someone of a good old boy network. So I won the primary last year, four years ago, won the plant primary and was set to sweep toe win the, um general, everybody knew that. I mean, everybody knew that Democrats didn't even have a candidate. All of a sudden, they appoint Curti Keller as after the primaries to step in to run in the General. Nothing wrong with that. But all of a sudden, all this weird stuff happens. Why is it I won the primary didn't have an opponent, I was gonna walk right in. Even with them appointing Curti, I still would have won the election. But all of a sudden I start getting all these things happening. I start getting these things going after my license is going after my insurance is going after, you know, me personally. Why? Your guess is as good as mine. But somebody in power is afraid of the fact that I'm an honest person, and I will do what it takes regardless, to take down somebody that breaking the law. I want everybody to be treated fairly. Everybody.

 

McCoy: So now you've seen it from both sides. Really, John, you've been on both sides of the law. Falsely arrested.

 

John Orem: Yes.

 

McCoy: And you've been a law enforcement officer?

 

John Orem: Yes.

 

McCoy: So I think that, you know, do you think that that would give you a unique outlook of how to handle your job as the chief law enforcement officer of the county?

 

John Orem: You know, my wife, um, says that it's humbled me more because of the fact that, yeah, I bled blue. I didn't think police officers could do any wrong. The courts were the courts and they weren't going to do things wrong. And I was under that understanding. That was my impression. Now I see with clearer eyes that there's some bad officers. There's some officers that commit. They had actions. There's judges that do horrible things to ruin your life intentionally. You know, there are people out there in positions that in no way should ever be placed in those positions. Yes, I can see that now we're before I couldn't so clearly. See that, and you'll use that experience In what way? For as a sheriff. You know, when you come in, you've got there were swamped with problems here.

McCoy: Oh, yeah, but you know,

John Orem: it's got to start with the way you supervise and manage these deputies. How you improve the esprit de corps of the officers. Well, that's just it. You got to treat him. You know, one of the things, Chief Deputy. Okay, let's just go with this one small issue because there's so many things that I can talk about, but we're unlimited amount of time. So let's go with this Chief deputy. My opponents are bringing in people retired officers from this place or that place or wherever. I plan on promoting from within, appointing somebody from within. How do I plan on doing that? Basically meeting with every deputy meeting with every support staffer in the in the building, getting their opinions of who would be their choice, who would be the best for that position and then look at their to one vote their personnel files looking for their accolades, looking for complaints. I don't want somebody that's had a lot of complaints and I don't trust the fact that all that complaint was thrown out or this or that, because I know how they do it. Sometimes in supervision, you get a complaint. You look at it and say nothing to it unfounded. I want to know that I have the very best, very best candidate. And the reason I'm bringing the subject about Chief Deputy is if you promote from within, that gives other people room to move up. You know, you want to take all their considerations that in, in the in the play you want to meet with each officer in that department and say, Where can we help you get to You know, do you like to do traffic enforcement? You want to be a detective? Do you wanna work, work child crimes? You know, you need to work with these people to keep them in place. And, you know, the money is one thing. We can only control so much of how much they get paid. But we can control their environment and where they're able to take their lives and everybody wants to do something special in life. But if you're stuck in working the road all day and you don't have those opportunities. You're not as happy. Well, you know it.

 

McCoy: How do you feel right now about your chances of making it?

 

John Orem: Oh, I'm gonna be the next sheriff.

 

McCoy: That's pretty confident. I would say so now, Sher, I know that you are supportive of him  being sheriff, and I know that you've got some reservations because really, it kind of changes your home or personal life. It means you guys won't be able to just drop out and take a vacation somewhere. You know, it's going to limit his ability to make his income. I mean, you're still own your businesses, but he's not going to really be able to run thim. He's gonna be busy being the sheriff. Do you think you're gonna be okay with that?

Sher Orem: That's not the part that concerns me. We can adapt and deal with those issues. It's more in the way that ah, you know, they want to try to come at us in our lives and disrupt, you know, our peace, the rest of the things, or just life in general, and the things that you have to adapt and, you know, learn to deal with. So we'll be fine with that. I just want to be treated fairly. I want them to understand that John has a family, you know, myself and my children have went through literally hell because of the way that they've treated him just because he's ran for sheriff. And so him making sheriff is not a concern of mine as far as you know the way it will change our life anyway, other than, you know, the drama that comes along with it,

McCoy: right? And you've been through quite a bit of drama.

 

Sher Orem: Absolutely.

 

McCoy: So, you know, if he makes it in. If he makes it in as the sheriff. What are you guys going to do? I mean, how do you think that that would slow this attack on your family down?

Sher Orem: I don't. I think a lot of people will be angry because they fought so hard to try to keep this from happening. But we are standing up not just for ourselves, but for the community. A lot of people haven't had the ability to stand from themselves like we have. So by doing so, we're hoping to empower the community to stand with us and by doing so actually be able to make some real changes.

McCoy: How can somebody found out more about your campaign, or how can they find a way to support you?

 

John Orem: Well, they can support me by voting on June 9th. But John Orem for Sheriff John Orem, the number four, sheriff dot com website or Facebook. Get on there. Read my platform. Interact with me. My phone number's listed on there, my email, messenger. I will answer. I will respond. I will interact. I'm happy to do so in most of my platforms up. I haven't completed all of it because trying to space it out too, you know, filling the Corona gap. I guess you could call it that had affected everyone.

 

McCoy: Yes, no doubt about it. All right. Well, I want to thank both of you for coming in today. It really, uh, should set the record straight for a lot of our listeners. And I'm sure if they have any other questions, they can contact you directly. And we want to thank you for turning into the News That Matters Podcast. Be sure to tune in every two weeks for our latest edition. Also, be sure to listen to Amazonia Calling podcast. You can find it at www dot the African Freedom Network dot com. Special thanks goes out today to Eric Matisse for all this great music you heard on the show. Thanks, Eric as always. You've done a great job. We appreciate it. You'll find him at Sound Image Dot org. You can subscribe to the Missions Tribune by going to the missions tribune dot com forward slash subscribe. We’ll be glad to send it out to you. Feel free to respond, to repost, to share, like and comment on this episode. It really helps us, and this is a special hello to our new listeners on iHeart radio on iTunes. Welcome aboard. If you have a story to tell or one that we should write about, let me know. I'm McCoy at the mission's tribune dot com. Thanks again for tuning in. Have a great day and keep the faith

Transcript from Nurse Davis about COVID-19

McCoy: You're listening to the News of matters Podcast. I'm your host, Jeff McCoy. The news that matters Podcast is brought to you, in part by the African Freedom Network and the Missions Tribune newspaper. We have a special guest today. Cosby Davis. She's a registered nurse. She's been - she is the director of the Good Samaritan Free Health Care. She's been a nurse for over 45 years, so she knows what she's talking about. She volunteers her time to the homeless, the poor, the immigrant. She's always there to help those in need, and she will be helping us understand the COVID-19 Pandemic, and we'll be right back with her after this brief message.

 

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McCoy: and we're back. Welcome to the show, Cosby. Well, I'm glad you're here because we got a lot of questions here for you. First of all, let me just start out by saying, as you know, I'm sure Ah, lot of people are very concerned. They're worried there. Some people are worried sick over this. It's really crippled them. And then on the other side, we've got a lot of people that are still saying, ‘Well, it's really kind of like the flu. You got a better chance of getting run over by a bus,’ you know? So what's the truth? What were what is going on here?

Nurse Davis: Okay, So what's going on, especially in the Eastern Panhandle we've seen. I believe that's, a, 20% increase since last Friday. So that means we're going towards the peak of growing the virus. The problem with Coronavirus is there's a lot of people out there that might be infected but feel well. Um, so that's what's been so hard for people to understand about social distance being, and now wearing your mask, um, outside is that they don't understand that piece. It's very contagious. And so that is why the Health Department, Governor Justice, and now the National Guard and the State Police will be collaborating as what we should do to try to keep that curb as flat as we can instead of it peeking dramatically. And the reason you don't want it to be dramatically is it such a strain on the hospital system, and as everybody has heard it is, I mean, all you hear about her defend later lack of personnel that people are getting hurt, that we just don't want that to happen here from everybody has been working really hard in this case. Me, um, the local health systems, have been involved in trying to do the testing and their hot lines have been excellent. Well, what do you think about this person? And this is very helpful. Also, the respiratory clinics are very helpful, and they're very efficient and very good. So we're very fortunate that we've had people that have gotten on board with this early on. I'm at the rescue mission every single day, along with my loyal volunteers that are helping me screen, Um, everybody that lives at the mission every day. And so far, we've had absolutely no cases.

McCoy: Well, that's very good news there, that's for sure. But don't you

Nurse Davis: want the fear part? Um, you know, when you believe in in Jesus Christ, our lord, many, many times in the Bible, it says, Do not fear. And so I challenged everybody out there that please read those passages. Leave your worries at the cross. And to truly trust in what the Lord will be doing in your life, it doesn't mean that you won't get sick. Um, but it might mean you won't get it. We don't know that, but, um, you know, if you're a believer, you just really need to lean on Christ at this time and do not fear if you don't have something to do. Believe me, there's a lot of people that would love to put you to work so well, you know, you can volunteer your time even staying from home.

McCoy: Well and

Nurse Davis: a lot of different things.

McCoy: That's true. And you know, a lot of times in history, we've seen great fears, wars, diseases, and a lot of times people have turned back or have actually come to the cross at those particular times to really try to calm their fears because this is becoming a little bit of a mental health issue for some of the population, you know, they're just stressed. They're afraid it's gonna happen. On the other hand, you know, Walmart doesn't have an empty parking spot, and it looks like Christmas over there. Um, I'm I'm broadcast - podcasting here today from my home. We moved all the equipment out of the studio back to here so I can try to stay as much self quarantined as possible. And I'm shocked at the amount of traffic that's still going up and down the road. I mean, so some people obviously aren't taking it serious at all. They just, and like you said, so you're saying you can get this and not even know you have it? And you still feel great for at least a period of time?

Nurse Davis: Yeah, because on immunity, virus on a hard surface could be there 78 hours. They could live someday hours just on the countertop. Um, which is amazing is that that's very unusual. Um,

McCoy: is that different than the flu

Nurse Davis: carrier and not get sick for a long time or never get sick?

McCoy: Well,

Nurse Davis: distancing is extremely important.

McCoy: Well, for the amount of time that it's living on a surface, is that longer or different than the flu or cold?

Nurse Davis: Yes.

McCoy: Okay. And you'd mention mask before is there, should now I, correct me where we're wrong here. But you're supposed to wear the mask if you're infected, or are you saying everyone should wear the mask?

Nurse Davis: You should wear the mask because they don't know they're infected or not,

McCoy: right. And that would stun- in South Korea, and they seem to have had better results because people were already wearing a mask. You know. And that may have been one of the reasons for it not catching like wildfire like it did in New York City.

Nurse Davis: They did a lot of things differently than we have, um, across the nation. But, um, the mask help you not transmit over to someone else. It's not really a protection per se. It's more that you're protecting that person in the room with you. Um, that you don't transfer it to grandma at the moment, or brother, or a friend. You know. So, um, there's a FaceBook group that has made hundreds of the cloth masks. At the rescue mission everybody, all the guys there have to have a mask. We're not letting anybody in and out without ah mask on.

McCoy: Well, where can people get the mask today? Because that that's been a shortage. It's like hand cleaner, total pay for and mask that seem to be out of all of it.

Nurse Davis: You know what? Soap and water works just fine.

McCoy: Yeah,

Nurse Davis: and that's the best thing. Wash your hands for 20 seconds. And on our Facebook site, I've posted a couple times how to wash your hands properly. Um, to make sure you have everything taken care of. The other thing I'd like to mention Jeff, is that, um when you're going to the store, to the grocery store, that's where you're supposed to be. You know, there's a procedure with that, too, If you have just pair of maybe leather gloves or if you do happen to have some latex gloves, I recommend wearing those right now because we're going into the peak the next two weeks, we're going to really see an upturn in this area. So, um and wear a mass. Ah, when you get home, what you should do is take off your shoes and sanitize them and put them right by the door or very close to the door.

McCoy: And how do you sanitize your shoes?

Nurse Davis: You can use Lysol wipes. If you have peroxide or alcohol, you can make a little combination of that was a little bit of water and just spray. If you have like old, you know, bottle sprayer. Just spray the bottom of your shoes and the top of your shoes and just wipe it off.

McCoy: So you

Nurse Davis: have a rag that's fine and just wash the rag every day. Um, got into your, um, bathroom. Wash your hands repeatedly. In fact, I have lots of times. I'm wearing a short sleeved shirt. I'm washing up my arms as well.

McCoy: And what about face?

Nurse Davis: Go ahead.

McCoy: Of what? About your face. I was saying,

Nurse Davis: Well, if you have a mask on, you don't really need to. But if you want to wash your safe, go for I mean, why not? It's not gonna hurt anything.

McCoy: What is?

Nurse Davis: Go ahead.

McCoy: I'm sorry. Go ahead.

Nurse Davis: Well and then what you want to do is far as you groceries is. If you're putting on the counter, make sure you wipe down the counter after you've taken them out. But you're also supposed to be wiping off any containers that you're putting in the refrigerator, you know, bags, things like that. But also your fresh fruits and vegetables need to be washed off as well, and then go upstairs and take off those clothes put them in the washer and put a new set of clothes on.

McCoy: Okay. Now is that for every time you go out in public, not necessarily Every time you go outside, like if you go outside into your yard as long as your social distancing and there's nobody on your property. Then you - it's fairly safe to still go outside. Is that correct or not?

Nurse Davis: Yes. Go outside. Take walks, run whatever you do, bicycle. You should be doing that. I took the walk out of Poor House Park yesterday. It was wonderful. Um, so you know, you need the sunshine. You need your exercise. Um, you definitely should get outside. It's just when you're going and purchasing something, just be careful, you know that you don't know who touched that item before you did. And I'm not trying to make people paranoid. I'm just trying to make them safe,

McCoy: Right. And with so many people, I'm sorry. Got-

Nurse Davis: me all wound up because it's all it is. Learning new habits and just say states safe and well, that's all we're asking you to do.

McCoy: Well, now you had mentioned, you know, like cleaning your shoes and things like that. So what? Out of the things that you had listed what would be the best to use if you had it in your home with Clorox? Lysol, what is the best alcohol? You know what's the best?

Nurse Davis: Honestly, either One Clorox, lysol even alcohol, 90% alcohol. Um, works well too.

McCoy: Okay. And the other thing that I would like to ask you about is some people are getting sick with a cold. What should they do if you don't know if it's the cold or the corona virus? What What's - How should you treat that at home?

Nurse Davis: Treat it home. And if your symptoms seem to get worse like your temperature goes higher and it just keeps getting higher, above 100.4 and going up, Um, and your cough is just unrelenting is what I would say if you, it's more like severe shortness of breath. There's some people out there that you know, it's allergy season. And it's, um, you know, some people have one disease such as chronic obstructive lung disease, that type of thing they do get short of breath. What you ask is Am I more sort of breath than I am usually? then you called out the WVU hotline. Um, and they will direct you what to do next. Some people are being sent straight to the E. R. because it's emergency. Other people are sent to the respiratory clinic, which is very efficient. And they will do the testing there. And there is either a P.A. or a doctor there, um, directing the patient. Care for the patients. So it might be that they think, Well, this really is a cold, but it might have gotten into more of a bacterial infection. I'm going to give him the name of somebody. Um, so there are, there are things out there that they can do that. The biggest thing is staying at home, uh, drinking lots of fluids, um, monitoring your temperature, Uh, at least two or three times a day. Just so you know where you're going as far as your temperature. Um, on the CDC website, CDC dot gov and you actually can put in Corona virus or COVID-19. They actually have some wonderful education things on their on what to do to get sick. Um, and also, what to do if you're healthy and what you should be doing at home. And there's little small, um, posters that you could even just put up on your refrigerator.

McCoy: Great. Great. It sounds like a great idea. And we're now talking to somebody that's quite an expert in this. We have a medical professional that's given us a lot of information, and we're gonna come right back with her and learn a little bit more right after this message. Stay tuned.

 

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McCoy: and we're back with Cosby Davis and I have another question for you if somebody is because we were just talking about being sick at home. Uh, if you have a family member, that's sick. What should the other family members do?

Nurse Davis: Okay, good question. If you have, um, like a married couple and you have an extra room, that person should go in that room and pretty much stay in a confined area so that you're not having a whole lot of contact with the rest of your family. Um, so if you have an extra place for somebody to be where they can isolate, that would be ideal. And, of course, washing your hands, wearing a mask. Um, the patient should be cleaning ___ and things like that themselves. It shouldn't be the family member. And if the patient is really, really think they should be probably at the respiratory because it means that they've gotten worse.

McCoy: Okay. And once somebody does actually makes contact where they do have this virus What? What is the attack on the body? How does that work? If you're into the point that you're at the hospital at this point, you know

Nurse Davis: earlier you're coughing is terribly increased.

McCoy: Why do some people pass away from it? And some people, like in New York City, are recovering from it.

Nurse Davis: Right. And the people that are not recovering usually typically are the ones that have what we call co morbidity. So they might be diabetic Or hypertensive or already have a lung disease. That's the higher percentage of people that are actually passing away.

McCoy: And we have a lot of that problem in West Virginia.

Nurse Davis: Oh, yes, but we have Ah, I think we were one of the top states of having the oldest population. So again, that's another reason why Governor Justice issued his directive. I believe it was last Friday. Um, you know, to stay home. Limit group gatherings to five people. Um, everybody that works for him should work with him, actually, you know, telling businesses if you're not essential, you should have already been closed. And we want you to close,

McCoy: right.

Nurse Davis: Um, really. The only things that should be open right now are you know, like your pharmacy or grocery store, those type of things.

McCoy: Well, what? Excuse me? What advice would you give for places like the homeless, for example, homeless camps or people that have addiction to drugs?

Nurse Davis: Well, you know

McCoy: that are sharing

Nurse Davis: as high risk. So, um, actually, um, Pastor Tim at the Rescue Mission and Eddie Gochenour, who has really been one of the key people in this county. They keep it safe. They went out to, uh, in Berkeley County to some of the camps. And I can tell you this when somebody's been in a tent, they usually want to stay in a tent, and that's what they found. They didn't want to come in at that time. Um, that one is probably gonna be closing on them. And it's really hard to find anywhere that will take somebody that's already positive or sick at this point to take in the homeless. Um, that's a real problem, and I don't have a solution for that.

McCoy: Well, in what advice could you give them so far, Obviously. Don't be sharing food or drink or eating after somebody, you're drinking out of the same bottle, right? And ah, as always. I'm sure you would advise never to share a needle under any circumstances,

Nurse Davis: right. Yes, absolutely. Yes.

McCoy: Would would it in the-

Nurse Davis: of population here, that doesn't really follow rules. Very well. Um, and made some bad choices in their lives. So, um, it is it's kind of hard to get

McCoy: well and also the lack of the, you know, just being able to clean your hands, for example, just cleaning your hands. They don't have a place that they can tap into some hot water and get the nice bar (of soap). So is there any advice that you could give for social distancing and the camp? Would it be the same as if we were in the community? You know, keep it least six feet apart?

Nurse Davis: Absolutely. And you know, if you can get another tent for everybody. You sleep in a different tent and, um, you know, it's really, really tough for them right now. The window of opportunity to really go anywhere was about three weeks ago. And, um, I really, honestly don't have much. I can tell them because most places that they could usually have gone in allowing people in.

McCoy: Well, let me back up here for a second. Let's just go back into the home for a minute. Um, obviously and we we've know, because we've been told over and over. Don't be shopping every single day when you go to the store, get what you need as much of it as you can need. So you don't have to come back tomorrow. That obviously makes a lot of sense. But how risky is it for people that are being out there? How contagious is - what do I need to do that would absolutely guarantee me that I'm going to catch it. I mean, obviously touching a counter or touching an item that we've already touched. But is that always gonna work? Like if, if they put their hand down on the counter and I touch it, what happens, then is it a guaranteed way in? Or is that just most likely it would be a way in.

Nurse Davis: No, we don't know enough about covered 19 and how it works For me to say anything is absolutely definite, to be honest with you, I mean, we're learning as we go, the whole country learning as we go.

McCoy: What about the six foot distance? Should we be more?

Nurse Davis: Oh, no. Six foot is fine. And the reason for the six foot is not just because you don't want to touch the other person. It's because if you even with talking, you're spraying a little bit of saliva because this is a droplet, um, type of virus and that what that means is, and you wouldn't you speak or we knew, um, sneeze or whatever you need that six foot distance in order not to get that droplet

McCoy: right. And you know, the governor has recommended that we do check in on our neighbors, especially the elderly, and try to keep them off the road out of the stores out of the public. What's what procedures should we use when we are helping family members or other elderly people? Uh, and well, let's just say, for example, we're going to get some medicine and some groceries for them, and we pull into their driveway. Tell me what I need to do at this point.

Nurse Davis: You call on the phone and say you're dropping them at the door.

McCoy: Okay, then

Nurse Davis: you you can step back six feet and talk to them, but that's as far as you should go.

McCoy: Okay? And then they should follow the procedures that you've already given us to bring the food into the house,

Nurse Davis: right. Cleaning it and counters cleaned after you've taken the bags off all of that. Yeah.

McCoy: And how well is I? I know that you work in Berkeley County, West Virginia. So I’ll limit this specifically to the county. But how well prepared is this county if it does spike up in the next two weeks, today is April six. So if we're looking at the next couple weeks, are we prepared for it?

Nurse Davis: Um, I think we're as prepared as we can be.

McCoy: Do you have enough beds?

Nurse Davis: Uh, right now, I think, Yeah. Right now, I think they do I mean, I'm not a hospital person, so I can't really speak for the local hospitals, but I know that they quit taking elective surgeries. Well, it's at least two weeks ago, which, you know, greatly decreases the people within the hospital and frees your staff to take care of, you know, the more emergency types of cases. So, um, that's really you know, all I know I can't speak to how many ventilators they have. You know any of that stuff? Because I don't work there.

McCoy: Well, as you do know, Berkeley County has been epic center here until I think today another county surpassed this county At least on today's numbers. So remember,

Nurse Davis: Yeah, Berkeley County is 54 which, you know, it went up a lot since last week. Thought what you got to remember is that a lot of these COVID-19 tests don't come back as much as 7 to 10 days. So our data is always behind,

McCoy: right.

Nurse Davis: 10 days.

McCoy: Well, if we was to do our best and get through this with the minimum amount of loss and let's say I was just looking a crystal ball here for a second, let's say it's now September, October, even December and we've recovered some. What is this going to be? Something that stays with us forever? Or did we whip it? And it just goes away? I mean, what, what? Where's the future?

Nurse Davis: Well, honestly, they don't know. The scientists don't know, and they're studying the virus, not only at CDC, but a lot of the universities like Johns Hopkins and several other. You are really, you know, they're getting the blood from some of the patients and looking at it, they're trying to work on having a vaccine, because then they're gonna be able to break down the DNA of the virus. So that's ongoing right now, if we can get a vaccine, that would be great. But next fall. But I would not count on that.

McCoy: But even if we do now, it's definitely still changed our, our lifestyle. I mean, we're not going to go back to what we had a year ago, where you could just go anywhere, anytime. Go to church go to a restaurant, a bar. I mean, I'm sure that all those things will open again, but it's still gonna change the way that we think and do business. It sounds like

Nurse Davis: I think this has impacted a lot of ways people thought-  it certainly has. Maybe, what I do when I go home with the back of groceries. And, um, you know, just being more careful about sanitizing around the home and things like that, you know? Did you ever watch the the, uh, series called Monk?

McCoy: No, I know I know what you're talking about, but no, I haven't seen it.

Nurse Davis: That was kind of paranoid about germs. We're all going to turn in the monk, Maybe, I don't know. But, um, yes, I think we're just gonna be much more aware of our surroundings. And, um, what we should be doing. There's a lot of people that are really bad about washing, Uh, and now they're very, very good. So I was looking at the rescue mission today, and Pastor Tudor was that he thinks he has the cleanest guys in a rescue mission and everywhere

McCoy: Well, that I guess - there is a good lesson to learn. And hopefully we're all learning more about how to live at home more than we you know, usually are. It gives more family time together, and I'm hoping and praying that that time will be used to, you know, sit down and learn about your family history, your state's history. Your church spent time maybe reading the Bible. I mean things, even having a meal together, things that we never get to do. Now maybe there's an opportunity for that.

Nurse Davis: Yeah, I think a lot of people find out that their business has not been healthy for their family. At least I hope so. And, um, that night change a little bit, but you know it. Also, I know human nature, and you tend to get back to your old habits because that's what you know. That's what kind of ingrained in you, too.

McCoy: So we'll

Nurse Davis: see. I don't have a crystal ball. We'll just have to see where we go

McCoy: with. Just have people. Be patient with

Nurse Davis: the health care. Um

McCoy: and, you know, studies that be done because this is something the whole world is never really seen before. That we're all learning from each other, right?

 

Nurse Davis: Right.

McCoy: And you know, I want to thank you for being on the show today. And I also want to thank you for your service to the community. You're out there on the front line where most of us are hunkered down trying to make sure we're safe. You're out there laying it on the line every day. We appreciate that and all your co workers and everyone else in the health care profession, profession and especially all of our firefighters, the EMT’s and paramedics that are also on the front line. You guys were out there for us all the time, and we really appreciate what you're doing. Thanks for being on the show today.

 

Nurse Davis: Thank you.

 

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